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		<title>By: James Blackburn</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2003/11/17/men-are-from-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-714604</link>
		<dc:creator>James Blackburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Gray claims below that his degree is &quot;legal,&quot; whatever that means?  Whether or not a legal party &quot;decides with their power and opinion&quot; that his degree is legal or not is not what the public is really concerned about.  A better question to Mr Gray would be, 1. what EXACTLY were the requirements, accomplishments and testing that John went through to receive this degree.  2. How many days, months or years did it take from application of entry to receive this degree?   

The answers to those 2 questions would satisfy this forever lasting concern of the deceived felt public by a New York Times Best Selling author.    

John Gray received his degree in 1982 from Columbia Pacific University. The school closed their doors in 2001. Prior to that date, according to the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education:

“CPU degrees awarded before June 25, 1997 are legally valid. Your degree, and any credential or license you received by virtue of the degree, should not be affected. CPU had legal approval to operate until June 25, 1997, and the degrees it issued before June 25, 1997 are legal.”

This was taken from http://www.bppve.ca.gov/press_releases/cpuweb_dec2000.htm

California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education
400 R Street, Suite 5000
Sacramento, CA 95814-6200

At the time John Gray graduated and received his degree, CPU was a highly respected school in its field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Gray claims below that his degree is &#8220;legal,&#8221; whatever that means?  Whether or not a legal party &#8220;decides with their power and opinion&#8221; that his degree is legal or not is not what the public is really concerned about.  A better question to Mr Gray would be, 1. what EXACTLY were the requirements, accomplishments and testing that John went through to receive this degree.  2. How many days, months or years did it take from application of entry to receive this degree?   </p>
<p>The answers to those 2 questions would satisfy this forever lasting concern of the deceived felt public by a New York Times Best Selling author.    </p>
<p>John Gray received his degree in 1982 from Columbia Pacific University. The school closed their doors in 2001. Prior to that date, according to the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education:</p>
<p>“CPU degrees awarded before June 25, 1997 are legally valid. Your degree, and any credential or license you received by virtue of the degree, should not be affected. CPU had legal approval to operate until June 25, 1997, and the degrees it issued before June 25, 1997 are legal.”</p>
<p>This was taken from <a href="http://www.bppve.ca.gov/press_releases/cpuweb_dec2000.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bppve.ca.gov/press_releases/cpuweb_dec2000.htm</a></p>
<p>California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education<br />
400 R Street, Suite 5000<br />
Sacramento, CA 95814-6200</p>
<p>At the time John Gray graduated and received his degree, CPU was a highly respected school in its field.</p>
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		<title>By: James Blackburn</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2003/11/17/men-are-from-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-714598</link>
		<dc:creator>James Blackburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would you have to remove a true statement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you have to remove a true statement?</p>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2003/11/17/men-are-from-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-183029</link>
		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone&#039;s interested, check the records at the LA County Clerk&#039;s Office. Although he lives in Marin County now, he lived for a long time in Pacific Palisades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone&#8217;s interested, check the records at the LA County Clerk&#8217;s Office. Although he lives in Marin County now, he lived for a long time in Pacific Palisades.</p>
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		<title>By: adaware</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2003/11/17/men-are-from-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-118625</link>
		<dc:creator>adaware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We recommend you to visit excellent <a href="http://adaware.aj77.com/" rel="nofollow">adaware</a> site. qY0ptan0x</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2003/11/17/men-are-from-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-86888</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 02:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress ya!!!</description>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2003/11/17/men-are-from-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-59780</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2005 05:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interessing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interessing</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Helgesen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Helgesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin - the solution is simple - and elegant.

No need to apologize, just reposition your original post.

What the fake Doc objects to, on your blog, is the word (and link) fraud

That word, verbatim, is contained in the linked blog document.

So merely issue a correction, to the effect that he is reported to be a fraud

Now you are stating a fact, and therefore not libeling the fraudster, technically.

I would, if I were you, blow this up again and again - report the fact of the reported characterization as a fraud - then lay out all the facts, and exhort your readers to decide, based on the facts, whether the guy, in their own, privileged opinions, is a fraud, or should be commended as a legitimate Ph.D and held in the adoring light he heretofore enjoyed.


On that basis, there is no defamation, and no issue of liability on your part, but you will be continuing your very worthwhile campaign to expose and defrock the fraudster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin &#8211; the solution is simple &#8211; and elegant.</p>
<p>No need to apologize, just reposition your original post.</p>
<p>What the fake Doc objects to, on your blog, is the word (and link) fraud</p>
<p>That word, verbatim, is contained in the linked blog document.</p>
<p>So merely issue a correction, to the effect that he is reported to be a fraud</p>
<p>Now you are stating a fact, and therefore not libeling the fraudster, technically.</p>
<p>I would, if I were you, blow this up again and again &#8211; report the fact of the reported characterization as a fraud &#8211; then lay out all the facts, and exhort your readers to decide, based on the facts, whether the guy, in their own, privileged opinions, is a fraud, or should be commended as a legitimate Ph.D and held in the adoring light he heretofore enjoyed.</p>
<p>On that basis, there is no defamation, and no issue of liability on your part, but you will be continuing your very worthwhile campaign to expose and defrock the fraudster.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To minimize legal headaches, insert the word &quot;allegedly&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To minimize legal headaches, insert the word &#8220;allegedly&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Barefoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barefoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a lawyer, but here is an arguement you may try...
the lawyers letter says this guy&#039;s degree is from a &quot;State of California-approved&quot; institution.  Notice that he does not use the word &quot;Accredited&quot; as you do in your blog.  &quot;approved&quot;, &quot;licenced&quot;, and &quot;accredited&quot; have vastly different meaning in the world of academics.  Generally, a college should be both licensed/approved AND accredited.

If a school doesn&#039;t use the word accredited, it usually means they are not...i.e. a second-rate school, often a degree mill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but here is an arguement you may try&#8230;<br />
the lawyers letter says this guy&#8217;s degree is from a &#8220;State of California-approved&#8221; institution.  Notice that he does not use the word &#8220;Accredited&#8221; as you do in your blog.  &#8220;approved&#8221;, &#8220;licenced&#8221;, and &#8220;accredited&#8221; have vastly different meaning in the world of academics.  Generally, a college should be both licensed/approved AND accredited.</p>
<p>If a school doesn&#8217;t use the word accredited, it usually means they are not&#8230;i.e. a second-rate school, often a degree mill.</p>
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		<title>By: McGehee</title>
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		<dc:creator>McGehee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a lawyer either, but it seems to me if Gray&#039;s lawyer himself isn&#039;t using the word &quot;accredited,&quot; it means in effect there is no dispute -- you never claimed CPU wasn&#039;t &quot;approved.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer either, but it seems to me if Gray&#8217;s lawyer himself isn&#8217;t using the word &#8220;accredited,&#8221; it means in effect there is no dispute &#8212; you never claimed CPU wasn&#8217;t &#8220;approved.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrary to Paul&#039;s comment, it is defamatory to restate a falsehood as if true without correction, even if you are quoting someone else.  Simply retract the &quot;fraud&quot; claim and restate the facts.  The facts are embarrassing enough.
ANON.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to Paul&#8217;s comment, it is defamatory to restate a falsehood as if true without correction, even if you are quoting someone else.  Simply retract the &#8220;fraud&#8221; claim and restate the facts.  The facts are embarrassing enough.<br />
ANON.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An administrator at a college I worked at got one of those diplomas from Columbia Pacific University. It was a running joke around campus. I don&#039;t think anybody ever has to &quot;register&quot; for any classes there. Rather, they give you &quot;credit for life experience&quot;. You pay them money, and they issue you a diploma.

Now to be honest, doctorates outside the hard sciences really don&#039;t mean much any more no matter what institution issues them. What should more embarrassing for Gray is all those years he spent as the Maharishi&#039;s gofer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An administrator at a college I worked at got one of those diplomas from Columbia Pacific University. It was a running joke around campus. I don&#8217;t think anybody ever has to &#8220;register&#8221; for any classes there. Rather, they give you &#8220;credit for life experience&#8221;. You pay them money, and they issue you a diploma.</p>
<p>Now to be honest, doctorates outside the hard sciences really don&#8217;t mean much any more no matter what institution issues them. What should more embarrassing for Gray is all those years he spent as the Maharishi&#8217;s gofer.</p>
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		<title>By: undrdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>undrdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the website of the Maharishi (the Maharishi of Maharishi European Research University fame), the school was not founded until 1975. [http://www.alltm.org/Maharishi/Maharishi_year2.html] John Gray, according to his lawyer&#039;s letter, received both his Bachelor&#039;s and Master&#039;s degrees from that university with the latter being obtained in October 1977.  This means that between 1975, when the university was founded, and October 1977, he earned both degrees. It must have had those courses you could learn in your sleep.

As to Columbia Pacific University, the article discussing its shutdown plus a phone call to the appropriate State department should clarify whether what was published is accurate or not. In any event, John Gray really does not want the negative publicity that a suit against a blogger could bring, especially since smoke almost always leads to fire in the case of someone who has gone to two, not just one, diploma mills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the website of the Maharishi (the Maharishi of Maharishi European Research University fame), the school was not founded until 1975. [http://www.alltm.org/Maharishi/Maharishi_year2.html] John Gray, according to his lawyer&#8217;s letter, received both his Bachelor&#8217;s and Master&#8217;s degrees from that university with the latter being obtained in October 1977.  This means that between 1975, when the university was founded, and October 1977, he earned both degrees. It must have had those courses you could learn in your sleep.</p>
<p>As to Columbia Pacific University, the article discussing its shutdown plus a phone call to the appropriate State department should clarify whether what was published is accurate or not. In any event, John Gray really does not want the negative publicity that a suit against a blogger could bring, especially since smoke almost always leads to fire in the case of someone who has gone to two, not just one, diploma mills.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2003/11/17/men-are-from-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-546</link>
		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please think up another way to upset this idiot and let me do it.  I would relish the thought of a California Lawyer pursuing this in Ireland quoting the US constitution which is completely irrelevant to you.  In my local zoo there is a chimpanzee. he is very cheap and all you would need to get this crap thrown out to the hysterical amusement of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please think up another way to upset this idiot and let me do it.  I would relish the thought of a California Lawyer pursuing this in Ireland quoting the US constitution which is completely irrelevant to you.  In my local zoo there is a chimpanzee. he is very cheap and all you would need to get this crap thrown out to the hysterical amusement of all.</p>
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		<title>By: sama</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2003/11/17/men-are-from-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>sama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Hernon&#039;s original column appears to have been removed.  Unfortunately, not everyone&#039;s as brave as you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Hernon&#8217;s original column appears to have been removed.  Unfortunately, not everyone&#8217;s as brave as you are.</p>
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		<title>By: paul hartal</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul hartal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really?</description>
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