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	<title>Comments on: My blog has been threatened with legal action by author John Gray</title>
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		<title>By: Blogiversary &#124; Gavin's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogiversary &#124; Gavin's Blog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] the whole John Gray controversy (Which drove a large portion of that 1.4m visitors to this blog after being mentioned on all of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Userwense</title>
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		<dc:creator>Userwense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snx for you job!
It has very much helped me!</description>
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It has very much helped me!</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd like to add another perspective to this discussion which may be of some interest: I remember John Gray from the time he was Maharishi's secretary in the 70:s in Switzerland. I recall this was the time when Maharishi International University was becoming established and accredited. Among the people working for him, Maharishi wanted (and want) some chosen people who had showed dedication or talent, to be awarded doctoral degrees. Because he is the founder of all the Maharishi universities and because all the faculty members were and are TM (Transcendental Meditation)-devotees, these degrees were issued without much discussion although some doubts were raised from faculty member with "real" hard-earned degrees. It was well known that even the president of Maharishi International University did not have "real" doctorate but a "bestowed" degree. Even in the 90:s when Maharishi resided in Holland this practice has been going on. I have no comments on that in itself. These individuals are dedicated and effective in their service to the TM movement. I suppose it can be compared to recieving an "honorary doctorate". It has nothing to do with academic achievements but it sure raises the person's status in the TM movement. As a representative for TM is has further been found that an academic degree helps a lot in spreading the message. As I understand it, Gray is not associated with TM anymore but he still likes to use his degree from Maharishi's university. Since TM partly has a cult label that is it not completely without problems which Gray could have forseen. I must add that I'm not resident of US and not associated with the movement anymore so reg the accreditation status of Maharishi's universities I am not updated at all. I also have no information about Gray's credentials from institutions outside the TM movement.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to add another perspective to this discussion which may be of some interest: I remember John Gray from the time he was Maharishi&#8217;s secretary in the 70:s in Switzerland. I recall this was the time when Maharishi International University was becoming established and accredited. Among the people working for him, Maharishi wanted (and want) some chosen people who had showed dedication or talent, to be awarded doctoral degrees. Because he is the founder of all the Maharishi universities and because all the faculty members were and are TM (Transcendental Meditation)-devotees, these degrees were issued without much discussion although some doubts were raised from faculty member with &#8220;real&#8221; hard-earned degrees. It was well known that even the president of Maharishi International University did not have &#8220;real&#8221; doctorate but a &#8220;bestowed&#8221; degree. Even in the 90:s when Maharishi resided in Holland this practice has been going on. I have no comments on that in itself. These individuals are dedicated and effective in their service to the TM movement. I suppose it can be compared to recieving an &#8220;honorary doctorate&#8221;. It has nothing to do with academic achievements but it sure raises the person&#8217;s status in the TM movement. As a representative for TM is has further been found that an academic degree helps a lot in spreading the message. As I understand it, Gray is not associated with TM anymore but he still likes to use his degree from Maharishi&#8217;s university. Since TM partly has a cult label that is it not completely without problems which Gray could have forseen. I must add that I&#8217;m not resident of US and not associated with the movement anymore so reg the accreditation status of Maharishi&#8217;s universities I am not updated at all. I also have no information about Gray&#8217;s credentials from institutions outside the TM movement.<br />
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		<title>By: Jack Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word "fraud" next to someone's name is a dynamite combination, often guaranteed to explode in your face.  I don't care whether it's used as fact, opinion, or question.

With this word, discretion is the better part of, well, you know what.

--Jack Payne
  www.sixhrs.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word &#8220;fraud&#8221; next to someone&#8217;s name is a dynamite combination, often guaranteed to explode in your face.  I don&#8217;t care whether it&#8217;s used as fact, opinion, or question.</p>
<p>With this word, discretion is the better part of, well, you know what.</p>
<p>&#8211;Jack Payne<br />
  <a href="http://www.sixhrs.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sixhrs.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly why bloggers should largely stay out of the journalism game unless they know anything about libel. Simply reprinting, or reposting something published elsewhere is no defense against libel. You still have to attempt to verify any statements of fact. Also, simply posting a correction won't get you anywhere in a court of law. There have been large settlements for statements that were retracted the next day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly why bloggers should largely stay out of the journalism game unless they know anything about libel. Simply reprinting, or reposting something published elsewhere is no defense against libel. You still have to attempt to verify any statements of fact. Also, simply posting a correction won&#8217;t get you anywhere in a court of law. There have been large settlements for statements that were retracted the next day.</p>
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		<title>By: poker free</title>
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		<dc:creator>poker free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably pool cripple buy poker free &lt;a href="http://poker-free.wrkplace.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;poker free&lt;/a&gt; poker free  catch pushka mechanic! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably pool cripple buy poker free <a href="http://poker-free.wrkplace.com" rel="nofollow">poker free</a> poker free  catch pushka mechanic!</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 03:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am interested to know the outcome of this. I was recently fired for publishing in my blog the statement that "My boss is a dick." I have been researching, trying to determine if this is libel, since that is what my employer claimed. 

Good luck, and keep blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am interested to know the outcome of this. I was recently fired for publishing in my blog the statement that &#8220;My boss is a dick.&#8221; I have been researching, trying to determine if this is libel, since that is what my employer claimed. </p>
<p>Good luck, and keep blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Sick of Threats By Washed Up Fakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sick of Threats By Washed Up Fakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so pathetic that Dr John Gray will stoop this low...I saw the show on Penn &#38; Teller where they indicated from their research that Dr John Gray has a degree from some defunct online university,so is he going after them too...he was actually on their show,why didn't the winer bitch when they completely debunked him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so pathetic that Dr John Gray will stoop this low&#8230;I saw the show on Penn &amp; Teller where they indicated from their research that Dr John Gray has a degree from some defunct online university,so is he going after them too&#8230;he was actually on their show,why didn&#8217;t the winer bitch when they completely debunked him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin&#8217;s Blog &#187; Top science adviser faces fresh claims over doctorate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin&#8217;s Blog &#187; Top science adviser faces fresh claims over doctorate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As some readers may know one of the major incidences to happen with this blog in its 3 years plus existence was the entire John Gray letter thing. Long story short, he threatened legal action because I questioned his qualifications. I refused to retract or apologise, and haven&#8217;t heard anything since. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As some readers may know one of the major incidences to happen with this blog in its 3 years plus existence was the entire John Gray letter thing. Long story short, he threatened legal action because I questioned his qualifications. I refused to retract or apologise, and haven&#8217;t heard anything since. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frank McGahon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank McGahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin,

I'm no solicitor but I think you should treat this the exact same as if you were publishing a newspaper. If you think that the original post was mistaken, just publish a correction, that is all they appear to be asking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no solicitor but I think you should treat this the exact same as if you were publishing a newspaper. If you think that the original post was mistaken, just publish a correction, that is all they appear to be asking for.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gavin, what does it cost you to go along with this. However, read this too. http://www.insideedition.com/investigative/johngray.htm He may or may not have a valid PhD. I frankly don't know. 

What you should do - for you your own sake - is publish the retraction - DAILY with a little note about how you were forced to do so by a rich, successful author. You will comply with his lawyer's wishes, but also do yourself a big favor. Produce and release a press release indicating that this man has threatened you - the papers here and some in the UK and maybe even the US would probably lap it up. He may make you a star!

I've had serious threats of libel thrown at me over the years (with nuzhound.com) and it's nerve-wracking. This doesn't look like a battle worth fighting to me, but it is an opportunity for some publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gavin, what does it cost you to go along with this. However, read this too. <a href="http://www.insideedition.com/investigative/johngray.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.insideedition.com/investigative/johngray.htm</a> He may or may not have a valid PhD. I frankly don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>What you should do - for you your own sake - is publish the retraction - DAILY with a little note about how you were forced to do so by a rich, successful author. You will comply with his lawyer&#8217;s wishes, but also do yourself a big favor. Produce and release a press release indicating that this man has threatened you - the papers here and some in the UK and maybe even the US would probably lap it up. He may make you a star!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had serious threats of libel thrown at me over the years (with nuzhound.com) and it&#8217;s nerve-wracking. This doesn&#8217;t look like a battle worth fighting to me, but it is an opportunity for some publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: raptor</title>
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		<dc:creator>raptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it possibly be that your blog made a statement whereas Deborah's refered to others having made such statements. A retraction to include the fact you were reporting what someone else had said and not your personal opinion should suffice. Either that or a call to all U.S citizens to support the cause and dig the real dirt on this guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it possibly be that your blog made a statement whereas Deborah&#8217;s refered to others having made such statements. A retraction to include the fact you were reporting what someone else had said and not your personal opinion should suffice. Either that or a call to all U.S citizens to support the cause and dig the real dirt on this guy.</p>
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		<title>By: jmc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a very simple solution. Ask the lawyers for the correct information regarding his PhD and then offer to publish that information as a correction. 

Ask them for the details of his undergraduate and postgraduate record, just the general details, and the subject of his doctoral thesis, his supervisor etc, and make this information the body of the correction.

If his PhD is genuine, and therefore your posting was incorrect, then his lawyers should have no problem supplying this information for the correction. 

If the lawyers balk at this reasonable demand then they maybe moving into SLAPP terrority which will give a big legal club to strike back with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a very simple solution. Ask the lawyers for the correct information regarding his PhD and then offer to publish that information as a correction. </p>
<p>Ask them for the details of his undergraduate and postgraduate record, just the general details, and the subject of his doctoral thesis, his supervisor etc, and make this information the body of the correction.</p>
<p>If his PhD is genuine, and therefore your posting was incorrect, then his lawyers should have no problem supplying this information for the correction. </p>
<p>If the lawyers balk at this reasonable demand then they maybe moving into SLAPP terrority which will give a big legal club to strike back with.</p>
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		<title>By: Karlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gavin --

Having read through your post, and the lawyer's letter, I think the issue here is not so much the repetition of information on Deborah's weblog, which is fact,  but the use of the word "fraud".

What the lawyers say is technically correct. He did get the degree from what was a recognised university. He isn't making up the degree, although one can draw plenty of implications about the rigours of getting such a degree and that way in which the state of CA viewed the institution. Notably, they do not dispute the later closure of the university etc.

But Grey's listing the degree as a degree he has earned isn't fraudulent (though saying he had one when he didn't, would be).  Using that word has very specific implications -- an intention to deceive by stating as truth that which is not -- and would almost surely be construed as libellous in the context in which it is used. This would be the likely interpretation of California libel law (which I had to study in high school/university for publications I worked for in Calif), and under Irish law it would be the same. 

The wise thing to do IMHO is print a retraction. Newspapers do this all the time. You can within the context of the clarification state that he has a degree etc etc and go ahead and add the other context for the nature of the institution as described by Deborah as that is further factual information. This is just not worth contesting as it would be seen by the courts here or there as pretty cut and dried. It is just unfortunate that this single entry came to their attention.

As a blog publisher, every blogger becomes liable under international libel laws for statements made on a blog, because it is public publication, so to speak, designed to be read by an audience at large. Pursuing a blogger so far seems pretty rare. Unfortunately for personal publishing, bloggers carry the legal responsibilities of large publishers but rarely have the same legal resources. Before notifying press etc about this I would very much advise consulting with a lawyer as to whether publishing a retraction would curtail their ability to go ahead and sue for libel anyway.  If you could be pursued, there's no point in stinging them into actually suing as they would almost certainly win and the California and Irish courts are prone to awarding very large damages plus costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gavin &#8211;</p>
<p>Having read through your post, and the lawyer&#8217;s letter, I think the issue here is not so much the repetition of information on Deborah&#8217;s weblog, which is fact,  but the use of the word &#8220;fraud&#8221;.</p>
<p>What the lawyers say is technically correct. He did get the degree from what was a recognised university. He isn&#8217;t making up the degree, although one can draw plenty of implications about the rigours of getting such a degree and that way in which the state of CA viewed the institution. Notably, they do not dispute the later closure of the university etc.</p>
<p>But Grey&#8217;s listing the degree as a degree he has earned isn&#8217;t fraudulent (though saying he had one when he didn&#8217;t, would be).  Using that word has very specific implications &#8212; an intention to deceive by stating as truth that which is not &#8212; and would almost surely be construed as libellous in the context in which it is used. This would be the likely interpretation of California libel law (which I had to study in high school/university for publications I worked for in Calif), and under Irish law it would be the same. </p>
<p>The wise thing to do IMHO is print a retraction. Newspapers do this all the time. You can within the context of the clarification state that he has a degree etc etc and go ahead and add the other context for the nature of the institution as described by Deborah as that is further factual information. This is just not worth contesting as it would be seen by the courts here or there as pretty cut and dried. It is just unfortunate that this single entry came to their attention.</p>
<p>As a blog publisher, every blogger becomes liable under international libel laws for statements made on a blog, because it is public publication, so to speak, designed to be read by an audience at large. Pursuing a blogger so far seems pretty rare. Unfortunately for personal publishing, bloggers carry the legal responsibilities of large publishers but rarely have the same legal resources. Before notifying press etc about this I would very much advise consulting with a lawyer as to whether publishing a retraction would curtail their ability to go ahead and sue for libel anyway.  If you could be pursued, there&#8217;s no point in stinging them into actually suing as they would almost certainly win and the California and Irish courts are prone to awarding very large damages plus costs.</p>
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