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		<title>By: formula 1</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2005/02/13/irish-times-blog-article-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-198197</link>
		<dc:creator>formula 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 05:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chi ha fatto questo? E un buon posto per trovare le informazioni importanti!:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chi ha fatto questo? E un buon posto per trovare le informazioni importanti!:)</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2005/02/13/irish-times-blog-article-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-59582</link>
		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I donâ€™t think the average Irish Times reader has any real conception of blogs. And if such a piece were to be written, it would be better placed in a feature or opinion section, as Ed Powerâ€™s was, not in the technology supplement.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, actually, such a piece was written, for the features pages, by me, and appeared about a year and a half ago. It was basically about personal, journal type sites rather than link-based blogs, but it was covering similar territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I donâ€™t think the average Irish Times reader has any real conception of blogs. And if such a piece were to be written, it would be better placed in a feature or opinion section, as Ed Powerâ€™s was, not in the technology supplement.</i></p>
<p>Well, actually, such a piece was written, for the features pages, by me, and appeared about a year and a half ago. It was basically about personal, journal type sites rather than link-based blogs, but it was covering similar territory.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCormac</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCormac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Karlin Lillington has mentioned blogging quite a lot in her column, so regular readers of the technology pages should have a grasp of what it’s all about.&quot;

That comment is somewhat patronising to both the technologically clueful people and the members of the general public who read the Irish Times technology section. More importantly it assumes that people actually read Karlin&#039;s column and indeed that people actually read the technology section of the Irish Times as opposed to something more in the mindshare of the public like national or political news. When the Irish Times site went to a subscription model, the Irish Times technology section dropped off the radar of the web and its journalists, to an extent, slipped into pay per view oblivion. 

To real reporters, the story is what matters. To op-ed columnists, that lack of brand name recognition that follows the Irish Times PPV move was a major loss. You&#039;ve managed to achieve in one article something rare in the history of the Irish Times technology section - something that is worth discussing by techies and non-techies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Karlin Lillington has mentioned blogging quite a lot in her column, so regular readers of the technology pages should have a grasp of what it’s all about.&#8221;</p>
<p>That comment is somewhat patronising to both the technologically clueful people and the members of the general public who read the Irish Times technology section. More importantly it assumes that people actually read Karlin&#8217;s column and indeed that people actually read the technology section of the Irish Times as opposed to something more in the mindshare of the public like national or political news. When the Irish Times site went to a subscription model, the Irish Times technology section dropped off the radar of the web and its journalists, to an extent, slipped into pay per view oblivion. </p>
<p>To real reporters, the story is what matters. To op-ed columnists, that lack of brand name recognition that follows the Irish Times PPV move was a major loss. You&#8217;ve managed to achieve in one article something rare in the history of the Irish Times technology section &#8211; something that is worth discussing by techies and non-techies.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karlin Lillington has mentioned blogging quite a lot in her column, so regular readers of the technology pages should have a grasp of what it&#039;s all about. (Regular readers of the IT probably do not). Regardless of the quality or validity of my piece, I&#039;m glad that there has been such a lengthy debate and it is a topic that I will be returning to in the future. The more coverage the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karlin Lillington has mentioned blogging quite a lot in her column, so regular readers of the technology pages should have a grasp of what it&#8217;s all about. (Regular readers of the IT probably do not). Regardless of the quality or validity of my piece, I&#8217;m glad that there has been such a lengthy debate and it is a topic that I will be returning to in the future. The more coverage the better.</p>
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		<title>By: R Delevan</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Delevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The HTML coding went all weird there. Those links were:
http://www.sicireland.com/index.php?a=35&amp;PHPSESSID=1e0e28f353eda063fc340c996e659184
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/08/politics/main659955.shtml
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/008873.php&amp;e=747</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The HTML coding went all weird there. Those links were:<br />
<a href="http://www.sicireland.com/index.php?a=35&#038;PHPSESSID=1e0e28f353eda063fc340c996e659184" rel="nofollow">http://www.sicireland.com/index.php?a=35&#038;PHPSESSID=1e0e28f353eda063fc340c996e659184</a><br />
<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/08/politics/main659955.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/08/politics/main659955.shtml</a><br />
<a href="http://powerlineblog.com/archives/008873.php&#038;e=747" rel="nofollow">http://powerlineblog.com/archives/008873.php&#038;e=747</a></p>
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		<title>By: R Delevan</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2005/02/13/irish-times-blog-article-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-58942</link>
		<dc:creator>R Delevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m sorry I didn’t get involved in this fracas sooner (you take a couple of days off and look what happens). I can claim(cheekily) to have gotten in the first blow, before Ed Power and Robin, with my &lt;a href=“http://www.sicireland.com/index.php?a=35&amp;PHPSESSID=1e0e28f353eda063fc340c996e659184”&gt;prediction that ran in the Evening Herald&lt;/a&gt;. But I’d add two quick things:
1. If South Dakota (population 724,000) isn’t too small for blogging to have an &lt;a href=“http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/08/politics/main659955.shtml”&gt;impact on elections&lt;/a&gt; (and &lt;a href=“http://powerlineblog.com/archives/008873.php&amp;e=747”&gt;controversially so&lt;/a&gt;, helping dent a dominant ‘paper of record’ and leading to the unseating the Democrat minority leader in the US Senate, Tom Daschle) neither is Ireland. If there’s a hindrance to Irish blogging about Ireland (as opposed to the US, which is relatively safe), it’s an Irish cultural reluctance to be on record about neighbours, distant cousins, lads you went to school with. 
2. It will be a while before the MSM in Ireland gets their head around blogging. (Large parts of the American MSM still don’t get it.) I got into it for two reasons – to be able to understand the biggest communications phenom since talk radio from the inside, and long-term survival as an opinion and analysis writer. And in the short time I’ve been blogging, I can say that doing it is very different from writing about it. 

The breakthrough moment will be when the MSM is forced to cover (and credit) a story that catches fire in the blogosphere – particularly if it, in whole or in part, discredits a major story in the Irish Times and/or RTE (nothing personal, but they’re the big dogs, with the most identifyable biases and orthodoxy). I’ll post something later over on my place about some probable future Irish blogging events and stop hogging Gavin’s bandwidth now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m sorry I didn’t get involved in this fracas sooner (you take a couple of days off and look what happens). I can claim(cheekily) to have gotten in the first blow, before Ed Power and Robin, with my <a href=“http://www.sicireland.com/index.php?a=35&#038;PHPSESSID=1e0e28f353eda063fc340c996e659184”>prediction that ran in the Evening Herald</a>. But I’d add two quick things:<br />
1. If South Dakota (population 724,000) isn’t too small for blogging to have an <a href=“http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/08/politics/main659955.shtml”>impact on elections</a> (and <a href=“http://powerlineblog.com/archives/008873.php&#038;e=747”>controversially so</a>, helping dent a dominant ‘paper of record’ and leading to the unseating the Democrat minority leader in the US Senate, Tom Daschle) neither is Ireland. If there’s a hindrance to Irish blogging about Ireland (as opposed to the US, which is relatively safe), it’s an Irish cultural reluctance to be on record about neighbours, distant cousins, lads you went to school with.<br />
2. It will be a while before the MSM in Ireland gets their head around blogging. (Large parts of the American MSM still don’t get it.) I got into it for two reasons – to be able to understand the biggest communications phenom since talk radio from the inside, and long-term survival as an opinion and analysis writer. And in the short time I’ve been blogging, I can say that doing it is very different from writing about it. </p>
<p>The breakthrough moment will be when the MSM is forced to cover (and credit) a story that catches fire in the blogosphere – particularly if it, in whole or in part, discredits a major story in the Irish Times and/or RTE (nothing personal, but they’re the big dogs, with the most identifyable biases and orthodoxy). I’ll post something later over on my place about some probable future Irish blogging events and stop hogging Gavin’s bandwidth now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Raftery</title>
		<link>http://www.gavinsblog.com/2005/02/13/irish-times-blog-article-follow-up/comment-page-1/#comment-58940</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Raftery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who never blogs about politics (mine is a tech blog) I can say that, apart from being absolutely gutted that I wasn&#039;t mentioned in the article, I thought it was great that someone in the Irish mainstream media has acknowledged the blogging phenomenon.

I think Robin raised an interesting point - I think the first politicians to start rolling out blogs will enhance their profile significantly.

We all know the seo advantages of blogs - but that message is only starting to sink in outside the blogging community.

This next year will be a fascinating one for the evolution of the blogosphere.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who never blogs about politics (mine is a tech blog) I can say that, apart from being absolutely gutted that I wasn&#8217;t mentioned in the article, I thought it was great that someone in the Irish mainstream media has acknowledged the blogging phenomenon.</p>
<p>I think Robin raised an interesting point &#8211; I think the first politicians to start rolling out blogs will enhance their profile significantly.</p>
<p>We all know the seo advantages of blogs &#8211; but that message is only starting to sink in outside the blogging community.</p>
<p>This next year will be a fascinating one for the evolution of the blogosphere.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Twenty Major</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twenty Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;who is Robin O’Brien to be telling the Irish Blogging community that we need to post more about Irish matters.&quot; - that&#039;s what I meant about the snobbery thing.

Excellent piece though, Gavin. And FMK is right, dialogue can make a blog. An active comments section can be as entertaining, or more so, than the blog itself at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;who is Robin O’Brien to be telling the Irish Blogging community that we need to post more about Irish matters.&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s what I meant about the snobbery thing.</p>
<p>Excellent piece though, Gavin. And FMK is right, dialogue can make a blog. An active comments section can be as entertaining, or more so, than the blog itself at times.</p>
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		<title>By: fmk</title>
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		<dc:creator>fmk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote: &quot;We just got a conversation going here folks, and its about a million times better than getting a letter published. This is the core of what blogging is about,&quot;

now that is a topic i intend blogging on in due course. recent experience suggests there are some bloggers who really don&#039;t want to get a conversation going. personally, i think that dialogue is what blogs *should* be about, but apparently there&#039;s a lot of others who consider their blog to be just a monologue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quote: &#8220;We just got a conversation going here folks, and its about a million times better than getting a letter published. This is the core of what blogging is about,&#8221;</p>
<p>now that is a topic i intend blogging on in due course. recent experience suggests there are some bloggers who really don&#8217;t want to get a conversation going. personally, i think that dialogue is what blogs *should* be about, but apparently there&#8217;s a lot of others who consider their blog to be just a monologue.</p>
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